Hebrews And Revelation: Two Christian Disagreeing Ideas About Israel

From: Shlomoh Sherman [kingsolnew@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 11:05 AM
To: Stephen Ballard
Subject: Fw: Revelation

Is the Book of Revelation a Revised Version of a Non-Christian Apocalypse? Guest Post by James Tabor | The Bart Ehrman Blog

Is the Book of Revelation a Revised Version of a Non-Christian Apocalypse ...
Here now is the second guest post by my friend and cross-state colleague, New Testament scholar James Tabor.

From: Stephen Ballard
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:39 PM
To: 'Shlomoh Sherman'
Subject: RE: Revelation

Yes, I have seem this before by Mr. Tabor. And as he says, many of these things seem like later interpolations into an original Jewish Apocalypse. However, I still think Gustav Volkmar was right about this in 1857, and these interpolations need not all be inconsistent with Volkmar's thesis:

The Jesus of Revelation is another Jesus than the one preached by Paul and the four Gentile Gospels. The Jesus of Revelation wants to burn Babylon (Rome) to the ground. And that is insurrection and murder. And the only Jesus we know in the Gospels that preached insurrection and murder is Jesus Barabbas.

From: Shlomoh Sherman
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 10:31 AM
To: Stephen Ballard
Subject: Re: Revelation

Last week I attended a church where the minister and some parishioners claimed that this world was not their true home. This is a very different idea than that spoken by Judaism. Judaism is very material-based; that is to say that this world is the only world about which we can have true experience. Therefore, when the Resurrection of the Dead takes place, we will live on this earth - where the Kingdom of God is to take place.

When Paul speaks of the Rapture, he states that people will meet Jesus in the sky but after that, he says nothing. That can mean that after the Rapture, the risen people live on earth, not Heaven. The book of Revelation states that much. But then, that book was written by a Jew.

Hebrews speaks about the super-heroes of the Jewish Bible and then states: Hebrews 11:13-16
All of these died in faith without having received the promises, but from a distance they saw and greeted them. They confessed that they were strangers and foreigners on the earth, for people who speak in this way make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they had been thinking of the land that they had left behind, they would have had the opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; indeed, He has prepared a city for them.

This is not only a denial of living here on earth but specifically a rejection of the Land of Israel as a special place. Hebrews is not a real book written by Paul but probably by a Christian [Jewish or Gentile] attempting to rework the Jewish religion into a nonJewish one.

On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 07:50:35 AM EDT, Stephen Ballard wrote:

Revelation 8:13 And I saw, and I heard an eagle, flying in mid heaven, saying with a great voice, Woe, woe, woe, for them that dwell on the earth, by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, who are yet to sound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jeffress

My alarm clock is tuned to this Dallas "Christian" religious station in the morning. Pastor Jeffress has been going on about the Book of Revelation for the past couple of weeks. Jeffress said all these people concerned about global warming on the earth are making the earth an idol and god that they worship. But that the true God will destroy this earth, and their idol, and every man, woman, and child that dwell upon the earth.

But this type of thinking is the reason that Tacitus, first century Roman historian, said these Revelation type Christians were haters of all mankind. What Pastor Jeffress fails to realize is that he and all his so-called "Christians" are the true idol worshippers, who worship an idol of a god that they have created in their own demented genocidal monkey brain, a god created in the image of that same genocidal monkey. And in fact this is true of all the religious genocidal big monkey worshippers.

Of course Pastor Jeffress thinks all the true believers will be raptured before that happens. They are not the ones that "dwell upon the earth." They only "sojourners" on the earth until they are caught up to heaven. They are spiritual beings, who only happen to believe that everyone else will be murdered by their genocidal big monkey God in the sky.

"Spiritual" and yet genocidally murderous and suicidal at the same time like Jim Jones?   Sounds oxymoronic to me. But what would one expect from a monkey?

Stephen Ballard
To: Shlomoh Sherman
Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Revelation

I think Paul would agree with Hebrews (for the most part). That is probably the reason the text is assigned to him even though he did not write it.

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